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"My fiancé wants me to be a racist!"
Before Benjamin Nathaniel Smith's killing spree got him on CNN, Rev. Matt Hale was consigned to the Jerry Springer show, where he sparred with black and Jewish viewers and defended hate as a religion.

July 7, 1999 | Until this week, when white supremacist Benjamin Nathaniel Smith's shooting spree culminated in his suicide Sunday, the world knew little about Matthew Hale, "pontifex maximus" of the World Church of the Creator, in which Smith was an active member. Hale made headlines earlier this year when the state of Illinois denied him a law license because of his racial views, but he had mostly receded from the news.

Now he's everywhere, from CNN to the New York Times, explaining the church's dogma: that whites are the world's "creators," that all non-whites and especially Jews are "mud people," and that his group's advocacy of advancing the white race by any means necessary does not mean it advocates violence. But just over two years ago, Hale was Jerry Springer fodder, appearing on a show titled "My fiancé wants me to be a racist!"

In a hilarious segment reminiscent of the Springer confrontation between Dr. Evil and his son Scott in "Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me," Hale and his minions attempted to rationalize their hate, while confronted by a multiracial cast of guests, and Jerry himself, in his second most likable appearance ever (next to his Austin Powers cameo).

Here are some excerpts from the show's transcript:

TERRA HARREN (17, recent member of the Church): I'm Terra Harren, member of the Church of the Creator, the church based for the white race, based on survival, expansion and advancement of the white race. We are against any conspiracy against the white race. We are against all enemies against the white race ... that includes all inferior races, including Jews, which are especially our enemies, and niggers ... Niggers are just stooges for the Jews to do their dirty work for them.

The white race is the most superior race as far as history goes, as far as accomplishment. We contributed everything to society. We build everything in society. The niggers are -- are destroyers of society. The Jews completely are parasitic. They suck the blood off our backs ...

JERRY SPRINGER: Hi. Welcome to the show. You know, when you hear the word "racist," images of secret rallies and hooded members come to mind. Well, today the face of racism is changing. A new breed of racists are in our cities and in our schools and they're trying to recruit our loved ones.

I'd like you to meet Stephanie. She's thinking of joining her fiancé's white supremacist church.

Why would you want to do that, Stephanie?

STEPHANIE: Because I'm a racist. I hate the Jews. I hate the niggers. I hate all the non-white subhumans. I have a child of my own. I believe in the 14 words: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children." I see what's happening to the country. I understand the Jewish conspiracy out to destroy the white race. And Creativity [the Church's religion] is the only white racial religion based on common sense and logic, that's based on facts ...

SPRINGER: ... You kind of got us all now. You got ... the Christians, the Jews, the blacks, everybody. Do you get along with anyone?

STEPHANIE: Yeah, I get along with ... fellow white racial comrades that understand ... the Zionist plot against the white race. I hate the niggers. I hate the Jews. I hate white trash.

SPRINGER: OK. OK. Have you hated your whole life? I mean, are you always filled with hate? Is there any love in you?

STEPHANIE: There's a lot of love in me for my race, my people.

SPRINGER: Who are your people?

STEPHANIE: The whites.

SPRINGER: Do you guys, like, have meetings? Is this what you want to teach your child?

STEPHANIE: I believe in a racial holy war ... I believe that all non-whites and white trash should be exterminated ... And I don't want my child to have to be like this. I want him to live in a society of all whites.

SPRINGER: Then why do you stay in America?

STEPHANIE: Because it's not just America; it's the whole world.

SPRINGER: You've got to find another planet, in other words?

STEPHANIE: No, we just need to take over this one. We just need to take back this one, to ...

SPRINGER: Take back? You weren't here first. What do you mean, take it back?

STEPHANIE: We need to take this country for our own and get rid of all the non-whites.

(After more sparring with Stephanie, Springer introduces a man identified only as the Rev. Lombardi, an officer in the church, and Stephanie's fiancé.)

SPRINGER: So you're ... a reverend?

LOMBARDI: Yes, I am.

SPRINGER: How do you become a reverend?

LOMBARDI: Well, you have to be ordained in the Church of the Creator. You have to know our creed and credos in and out. It's a white racial religion based on eternal laws of nature, logic and common sense. Common sense, yeah, which a lot of yous lack in today.

SPRINGER: That's yous, Y-O-U-S. OK.

LOMBARDI: What was that, Jerry? What did he say? That's Ubonics for you in the second row.

SPRINGER: Were you raised like this?

LOMBARDI: No, I wasn't ... It's extreme love for my race is why I feel this way. And I see, you know, what the Jews are doing to overthrow the United States. They run their Federal Reserve and so on and so forth, our school systems, banking. You guys are all being brainwashed by the Jews and you don't even realize it ... As yourself, you're a kike and you know it. You just want ... to get America, you know, up against us, up in arms. It's not going to happen. We're recruiting right now. We're getting all the young kids. We're getting them in your neighborhoods.

SPRINGER: Hmm.

LOMBARDI: We're recruiting them. We're teaching them how to survive, how to be pure. We're teaching them facts, Jerry, OK? Not mythology, not stuff like your Jewish book, the Talmud, who degrades the white race.

SPRINGER: Let me try and understand your religion.

LOMBARDI: You'll never understand it. You're a Jew.

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